Democrats to Trump on Guns: Universal Background Checks or Nothing

After several mass shootings, gun control is back at the top of the legislative calendar. Trump has been discussing potential legislation with lawmakers in both parties. He said on Wednesday that progress was being made on gun legislation, adding that many areas were under discussion, including background checks.

Now Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi have issued an ultimatum.  After speaking to President Trump by phone, they claim to have told him that any gun control legislation that falls short of universal background checks for gun sales “will not get the job done.”

In a joint statement, Pelosi and Schumer said:

“This morning, we made it clear to the President that any proposal he endorses that does not include the House-passed universal background checks legislation will not get the job done, as dangerous loopholes will still exist and people who shouldn’t have guns will still have access.”

The two leaders said they promised to join Trump “for a historic signing ceremony at the Rose Garden” if the president would endorse the legislation and lean on McConnell to pass it “to save as many lives as possible.”

Neither the White House nor Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell had a comment.

The White House has yet to outline any specific proposals, but officials said any eventual gun measure  might include expediting the death penalty for mass shooters.

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  1. Ok, so let’s suppose Trump should agree to your universal background checks. The obvious next step for obtaining guns would be for law abiding citizens to easily get them illegally. So there will then be more guns on the streets which would seem to lead to more killing as these guns can be stolen easily and the owners won’t report it because it was not legally purchased. So what are the next steps. I see old Beto getting more support from you dems to confiscate all guns.
    Then what folks?

    • then what, FREAKING civil WAR, THE PROBLEM IS, THOSE IDIOTS ON THE LEFT DON’T SEE WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF THEY START KNOCKING ON DOORS AND SAY, HEY, WE WANT YOUR WEAPONS.. bETO IS AN IDIOT./ THEY SCREWED WITH OUR RELIGION RIGHTS, THEY SCREWED WITH OUR HEALTHCARE, NOW THEY WANT OUR 2ND AND THEN OUR FIRST AMENDMENTS, fACEBOOK ALREADY TOOK OUR FIRST AMENDMENT WHERE CONSERVATIVES CAN’T SAY ANYTHING GOOD OR THEY DELETE THE POST OR SOME FREAKING IDIOT COMPLAINS AND THEY PUT YOU IN fb JAIL FOR 30 DAYS. YET, ONLY YOUR FRIENDS ARE SUPPOSE TO SEE WHAT YOU WRITE. MMM, THATS SOROS AND ZUCKWERBERG COMMUNIST,.

      • Um, you actually like your “private health insurance” which overcharges you and does not cover basic stuff and leaves you in the lurch when you get sick? Why?
        I am not on Facebook, so I don’t give a flying *uck what they do.
        And, if anything, you screwed with your own “religion rights” if you think that Jesus approves of your love affair with AR-15’s or whatever you it is.
        I am not knocking on your door to get your gun.
        I simply think you have been misled into mis-interpreting your 2nd amendment.
        Meaning: No law made by reasonable people can possibly mean that crazy people should have machine guns. Think about that! Think it through!
        Beto may well be an idiot, because getting people riled up is not what a smart person does. Which, likewise, applies to Trump. Kindly, please, do not get riled up by politicians, or talk radio, or Fox, or Breitbart.

        • No I get riled by statements like, “Um, you actually like your “private health insurance” which overcharges you and does not cover basic stuff and leaves you in the lurch when you get sick?” I have private pay insurance and it is TREMENDOUSLY better coverage and substantially more affordable than ANY of the “Affordable Health” crap Obama tried to shove up our collective a$$e$. Remember, (“If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.”? – Obama.) I used Obamacare for about 6 months. Dropped it when I had to get “permission” to go see a doctor for normal routine blood work. When I got the permission, the doctor they wanted me to go to was 125 miles from where I live. The doctor I used prior to OCare was 35 miles from me and TREMENDOUSLY better doctor.

          As for gun rights, yes, bi-Beto actually did say (one a few occasions) law enforcement will come knocking on your door. My challenge to Beto? Come knockin’. Let’s see what happens.

    • Something to think about . . . .

      Some years ago when an old time gun owner was threatened with registration or confiscation He came up with the perfect solution. His response was that legally he owned no guns at least none the government could attribute to him. but when guns are outlawed the guns he does not own are for sale . . . . to the highest bidder illegal or legal. He claimed he could retire off the money made selling the guns he did not own . . . and he would still have enough arms for home defense.

    • I agree 100%. That being said there is over 5000 federal gun laws on the books now. Not one of them stopped a shooting.

      As well, all the states in the USA have their own gun laws.

      So it doesn’t make any difference if you add more Law. Federal or State; it is not going to stop a nut case from obtaining a firearm when they can purchase them off the streets.

    • Trump would be crazy to jump on board with ANY gun control legislation.
      After campaigning and promising every year at the NRA convention to protect 2A rights, he’d be dead meat.
      Gun owners put him in office. If he betrays them, half of em will stay home on election day. I’m ONE of them….
      I don’t like being lied to. And i’ve said, no one can take out Trump, but Trump. If he passes red flag laws or any of that other foolishness, he WILL fracture his coalition. That’s gospel…

    • So, if you are a First Sergeant, Retired, then you are familiar with the military, I take it? Yes?
      Now, have you ever, in your career as First Sergeant, encountered a new recruit who was so
      dumb, or so crazy, that no reasonable sergeant would have wanted that person to have a gun?

      What do you or did you do with those people? I am asking!

      The question is: “Should crazy, somewhat retarded, violent people have machine guns?”

      Just say “YES” or “NO” to that, and I can tell how smart you are.

      • Mongo Faz….you seem pretty reasonable, but your ‘this or that only’ questions, or your ‘why?’ sentences, take away from what you have to say.
        That said: Crazy private, don’t give him/her a machine gun until properly trained. Private citizen, with a Bill of Rights, who passes background checks, sell machine gun. “Why?” <—sound familiar? Look, if they pass the background check, crazy maybe in somebody's opinion but not the law, then that person can get a MG, end of story. HAHA do we need one (a MG)? I hope not. If the USA were invaded it would help in defense. If there is an unlawful violent force trying to enter someone's home and kill their family, they could do as W. Churchill instructed; he instructed the British Islanders "You can always take one with you".

  2. We already have universal background checks. If liberal states would send their info in so the database would be up to date it would work better. Liberals should shut up and work harder to enforce laws already enacted!

    • No, we don’t. The ATF is prohibited by some law that they cannot keep a nationwide registry of gun ownership. The NRA and its lobbyists saw to that.

      The ATF has been essentially prevented to carry out their mission.

      I believe that the DMV of each state should be tasked to carry out what he ATF has been prohibited to do. They, the DMV, already do the same thing for cars, so they can do it for guns as well. I am in favor of having all guns “registered, titled, insured and licensed. If you, like a law-abiding car owner, can put up with that for cars, then you can put up with it for guns as well. The insurance on guns should enable the innocent victims of gun-violence to obtain both health care and restitution. Just like the “un-insured and under-insured car policy premiums provide for. If you are against that, you are essentially a “vicious beast with no conscience”. Happy now?

      Note: I am not a communist, not a socialist, not paid by insurance companies, not paid by
      Soros or any other weird conspiracy you can think of. I don’t need need your Bible, your Jesus, or any Marx or whatever. I just think things through, and that’s what I come up with. If you prefer to be “un-thinking” or “never-thinking”, that’s your problem.

  3. The Democrats say they want a universal background check or nothing. This is perfect-give them nothing. We already have background checks and they do nothing, but if the Democrats want better checks, change the current checks to make certain that negative information (like mental illness, crimes committed, etc-this much would probably exclude all Democrats from owning arms) is added to the database and to then actually apply the penalties stated in the current law if someone not eligible attempts to get a weapon by requesting a check.

    • Be sure to include medical check ups also. When legal immigrants came thru Ellis Island, they all had to under go medical check ups. Those with various diseases were sent back. We now have diseases that have long been dormant in the USA coming back again because of illegals. Measles, TB and even leprecy have come back to the USA. Just ask LA health officials

  4. DRUGS,CARS,KNIFES, BLUNT OBJECTS ALL KILL MORE AMERICANS THAN GUNS.. “MISUSE OF ALL OF THEM KILLS. I THINK IT WOULD HELP TO REMOVE THE MENTALLY ILL FROM OUR STREETS ,ALONG WITH GANGS, DRUG DEALERS, TERRORIST VIOLENT PEOPLE.. IF CONVICTED BY A COURT OF LAW, NO APPEAL & QUICK EXECUTION.

  5. I have to laugh because those that want the background checks and to take our weapons away from use are so dam foolish. Yes background checks and all are great for those that want to purchase a weapon legally but what about the BAD GUYS that will get those guns no matter what laws are passed. It is like a post I have seen on FB several times is that the should outlaw heroin and other opiates ? Oh but wait, there are and still how many people daily that are dying from overdoses from these so called regulated drugs. Another odd thing is that I read that 11 teens die daily from texting and driving and several states have outlawed texting and driving but thy still are doing this?

    • You may stop laughing at your earliest conveniece!

      The fact that numerous laws do not prevent that people get killed, murdered, attacked does not mean that the law is wrong.

      If you ask me, the current “opiode crisis” is rather a symptom of another problem: That health insurance does not help, does not cover, does not prevent anything, does not prevent “medical bankruptcy”. As a result, it seems to me, that a good number of sick people prefer to exit this planetary existence via a “Heroin & Fentanyl” overdose, instead of running up a $300K, $500K, $800K medical bill for no good reason.

      I would like you to know that reasonable, kind and not at all suicidal people agree with me on that issue. The US health care system is effed up with greed. To be clear, then, a lot of US healthcare is similar to those people who try to “filch dead bodies for anything valuable”. That’s right, they do not give a damn. Just ask around and find out what “US medical health care” accomplishes. Ask the humans, not the doctors. It’s all about the money, and not about the humans, and not about trying to help dying people to “get to the other side” with less pain than really needed. May be, you have to first go “through it” to believe it.

      As for texting and driving, when I see someone doing this, I try to get them to stop doing it, by driving in front of them and slowing down. They simply don’t know what they are doing.

    • Possible, but if people who sell guns at a “no background check gun show” will eventually be prosecuted for selling guns without checking out the buyer, and without telling the police or sheriff that they sold their gun to “Crazy Gunboat Captain Willie”, then maybe, just maybe that retarded “black market for guns” will disappear.

  6. Democrats have refused to work with our President up until this time on gun reformer or on anything as a matter of fact.. I fear this is only once again a ploy to sneak through a Policy that would be unfair to the law-abiding gun owners. Democrats only seek one avenue of gun reform by a fully government confiscation That Has Already been stated by the 2020 Democrat candidates! Democrats only want their way OR no way! Americans are saying NO way to the country destroying democrats. We The People Will Stand By Our Second Amendment Rights! And the hell with any democrat policy that for the most part will violate our 2nd Amendment. NO DEAL WITH THE DEMOCRATS THAT REFUSE TO WORK WITH OUR PRESIDENT.

    • You are mistaken. It’s not communists or socialists who want a change in the way American
      gun laws are administered, it’s about 60% to 80% of regular Americans, some of them Republican, many of them Democrat, many of them simply concerned “common sense people”, who want this change to happen. If you don’t see that, you are simply mistaken.

      Please understand that angry drunk mean racist AR-15 owners do not and will not ever prevent a “takeover of the US” by a “vicious dictators”, because you already seem to prefer a dictator (Trump) over any number of reasonable people, including reasonable Republicans.

  7. Who the hell do the Democrats think they are demanding anything from Trump. In 2 years of negotiations they have screwed Trump more than once over his requested policy matters. Trump tell them this time to go to hell over their gun control matter. Don’t sign anything. Tell them to drop their crazy impeachment proceedings and you MIGHT sign their crazy Bill however, I would sign nothing for them.

  8. The American people are well aware of the issues very clearly. Enforce existing laws regarding background checks. Enforce immigration laws and defund sanctuary cities, and put their elected officials IN JAIL!That’s where we’d be. You will never be able to enact ANY legislation that will magically find and stop a lone wolf, loose cannon individual, period, any more than you can nail jello to a tree! The lawlessness in America begins in Washington, DC! Citizens must obey the laws, the gov’t can do as much as they can get away with, and they’ve been getting away with murder since JFK! If you’re surprised that Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide, imagine how surprised HE was!!! Clinton, Inc strikes again, and they’re just the tip of the iceberg!! Wake up America. Keep America Great! Trump 2020!

  9. That’s EASY . . . NOTHING! (Get it?). Democrats have NOTHING of any value except BANKRUPT MORALITY. And The American People will have NONE of it . . . Team Trump and his allies 2020.

  10. These two are perfect examples of mentally Deranged people. What would their background checks reveal. Theft? Graft? murder?

  11. Counter offer:

    UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS ON POLITICIANS, BUREAUCRATS AND POLITICAL APPOINTEES or NO DEAL!

    Wouldn’t it make more sense to REQUIRE BACKGROUND ** INVESTIGATIONS** for POLITICIANS before they get elected?

    After all, it is the PARAMOUNT RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE to know WHO and WHAT they are electing to positions of POWER OVER THE PEOPLE!

    IF they can’t qualify to own a firearm, CAN THEY BE TRUSTED WITH POWER?

    e current crime rates in America today are DIRECTLY related the the Unconstitutional gun laws enacted by politicians in the last 100 years!

  12. THis is pure lip service. Pass another law that the criminal element couldn’t give a tinker’s dam about. The greatest percentage of weapons on the street are either stolen or brought in from south of the border. And I can just see a convicted felon criminal going through a back ground check. The answer is enforce the laws we have and reinstate the death penalty for the killers roaming the street. The police, the courts, and the federal government can’t stop someone from killing another if that is their intent. BUT they can be sure that one doesn’t get a chance to do it again.

  13. In 1983 Diane Feinstein was mayor of San Francisco, and she bans guns in the city and was giving a news conference in a TV interview and accidentally dropped her purse and a pistol(revolver) rolled out and she quickly recovered it and revealed she was the only resident of San Francisco to have a legal concealed weapons permit so she could protect herself if need be. She was and is a hypocritical b…. who denies everyone else the God-given right of self protection,

    • hmmm … That politicians are hypocrites and liars has often been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt..
      But, somehow I don’t see that there is a “God-given” right of self protection. Don’t get me wrong, there is a “Human given” right of self protection, because in the human system of justice, “self-defense” has often been used and approved as a method of defending oneself against a “charge of murder”. And, depending on how mean, smart, racist or decent or bribed the human system of justice happens to be, the “human right of self protection” sometimes works and sometimes it doesn’t. Clearly, it works more often for white people, than for black, Mexican people, or people of any other race, creed, religion than white, protetant, anglo-saxon, etc. Obvious truth! check out the statistics! Oh, wait, you don’t believe in statistics, and anything you don’t believe in, doesn’t exist. I have seen that happen, many times, as well.

      It sure is complicated. Should there be a right to “self defense”? Yes!
      But should there be a law against those who “abuse the the right to self-defense” in a mean-spirited, vicious and racist manner? Yes, as well! There you go!

  14. People forget about all the guns Obama and Holdem sent to the Mexican cartels. Now they want to disarm their own citizens but arm Mexican cartels, which have killed Americans.

  15. “If you could tell me that the bad guys, the criminals, wouldn’t have guns, I’d be a hundred percent for gun control.” -Donald Trump, 1998 NBC Stone Philips

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